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		<title>Comment on On Lateral Passes by Jeremy Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Karen -- I appreciate the kind words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Karen &#8212; I appreciate the kind words.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Lateral Passes by Karen</title>
		<link>http://forestfortrees.edublogs.org/2006/01/26/53/comment-page-1/#comment-3408</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugely truthful post. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugely truthful post. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Trope by A New Kind Of Search &#124; Smelly Knowledge</title>
		<link>http://forestfortrees.edublogs.org/trope2/comment-page-1/#comment-3406</link>
		<dc:creator>A New Kind Of Search &#124; Smelly Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] combine Retrievr, Flickr, and, without trying to toot my own horn too much, my Greasemonkey script Trope for Flickr. Learners can start off a search by drawing a sketch in Retrievr and find the most appropriate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] combine Retrievr, Flickr, and, without trying to toot my own horn too much, my Greasemonkey script Trope for Flickr. Learners can start off a search by drawing a sketch in Retrievr and find the most appropriate [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Jeremy Price by Knowledging across life&#8217;s curriculum &#187; Blog Archive &#187; When dads want to be there</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knowledging across life&#8217;s curriculum &#187; Blog Archive &#187; When dads want to be there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There is no easy solution to such a complex problem. I feel for both : fathers who are struggling with skewed laws a consequence of past histories; and mother&#8217;s who are left fending for themselves. This is a social problem, a large one. So when I read that Jeremy Price wants to take a break from his Smelley Knowledge blog to give time to his son, I say Jeremy you have your priorities straight. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is no easy solution to such a complex problem. I feel for both : fathers who are struggling with skewed laws a consequence of past histories; and mother&#8217;s who are left fending for themselves. This is a social problem, a large one. So when I read that Jeremy Price wants to take a break from his Smelley Knowledge blog to give time to his son, I say Jeremy you have your priorities straight. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Multitasking Realities by RyanCollins.org &#187; Multitasking Realities</title>
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		<dc:creator>RyanCollins.org &#187; Multitasking Realities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Smelly Knowledge » Multitasking Realities Merlin Mann of 43Folders posits that when one says they are multitasking, they are really just slicing their attention into smaller and smaller chunks. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Smelly Knowledge » Multitasking Realities Merlin Mann of 43Folders posits that when one says they are multitasking, they are really just slicing their attention into smaller and smaller chunks. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on A New Kind Of Search by Jeremy Price</title>
		<link>http://forestfortrees.edublogs.org/2006/01/07/a-new-kind-of-search/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you both, Artichoke and Doug, for your thoughtful comments comments.  Different people have recommended Illich to me in several contexts, so I&#039;ll have to put aside some time to read some of his works.  I do believe that the way our technological tools are evolving, we can begin to incorporate other modes of expression and interaction, which would be very empowering to many people.  Just think about all the people who are classified as &quot;print disabled&quot; or with &quot;reading-related disabilities.&quot;

There is a very neat page, entitled the Evolution of Alphabets, at http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rfradkin/alphapage.html.  It illustrates many of the relationships between pictographs and various single-sound symbols, and then the further evolution into the early sets into some of the modern alphabets.  It&#039;s always interesting to see that elements as abstract as alphabetic characters are rooted in something much more concrete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both, Artichoke and Doug, for your thoughtful comments comments.  Different people have recommended Illich to me in several contexts, so I&#8217;ll have to put aside some time to read some of his works.  I do believe that the way our technological tools are evolving, we can begin to incorporate other modes of expression and interaction, which would be very empowering to many people.  Just think about all the people who are classified as &#8220;print disabled&#8221; or with &#8220;reading-related disabilities.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a very neat page, entitled the Evolution of Alphabets, at <a href="http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rfradkin/alphapage.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rfradkin/alphapage.html</a>.  It illustrates many of the relationships between pictographs and various single-sound symbols, and then the further evolution into the early sets into some of the modern alphabets.  It&#8217;s always interesting to see that elements as abstract as alphabetic characters are rooted in something much more concrete.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A New Kind Of Search by Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first saw Retrievr I dismissed it as a game; interesting, but only as a form of amusement. Your post and Artichoke&#039;s comment had me thinking about it while I was reading to my students this morning. From Birchbark House, by Louise Erdrich:

Using a pointed stick to write in wet mud, Angeline showed Omakayas and Nokomis the meaningful signs, which looked like odd tracks. 

&quot;What animal would leave these?&quot; Omakayas teased.

&quot;Be patient,&quot; Nokomis counseled. &quot;Let&#039;s find out what your sister has learned.&quot;

&quot;They&#039;re letters,&quot; Angeline said, eager to share her knowledge. &quot;One follows the next. You look at them, just like tracks. You read them. They have a meaning and a sound.&quot;

&quot;Howah!&quot; That&#039;s a good idea! Like our picture writing,&quot; Nokomis said.

...She also knew where certain marks had been placed upon lake rocks long ago. Some of the marks were made by the spirits, some were made by humans; others were drawn by a giant race of people who had lived on earth in the old days and had disappeared (p.190-191).

Music, graphic art, dance, sculpture, etc. have been around since forever. New technologies that enable ancient ways of knowing suggests that digital technology could encourage a return to nonlinguistic media as a dominant form of expression.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first saw Retrievr I dismissed it as a game; interesting, but only as a form of amusement. Your post and Artichoke&#8217;s comment had me thinking about it while I was reading to my students this morning. From Birchbark House, by Louise Erdrich:</p>
<p>Using a pointed stick to write in wet mud, Angeline showed Omakayas and Nokomis the meaningful signs, which looked like odd tracks. </p>
<p>&#8220;What animal would leave these?&#8221; Omakayas teased.</p>
<p>&#8220;Be patient,&#8221; Nokomis counseled. &#8220;Let&#8217;s find out what your sister has learned.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;They&#8217;re letters,&#8221; Angeline said, eager to share her knowledge. &#8220;One follows the next. You look at them, just like tracks. You read them. They have a meaning and a sound.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Howah!&#8221; That&#8217;s a good idea! Like our picture writing,&#8221; Nokomis said.</p>
<p>&#8230;She also knew where certain marks had been placed upon lake rocks long ago. Some of the marks were made by the spirits, some were made by humans; others were drawn by a giant race of people who had lived on earth in the old days and had disappeared (p.190-191).</p>
<p>Music, graphic art, dance, sculpture, etc. have been around since forever. New technologies that enable ancient ways of knowing suggests that digital technology could encourage a return to nonlinguistic media as a dominant form of expression.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A New Kind Of Search by Artichoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artichoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When so much of the technology in schools is used simply to recreate what we do already, this is exciting and wondrously provocative thinking.  Thank you. 

I think you might enjoy Illich writing on the beginning of the monopoly of reading and the book in the 12 Century - In the Vineyard of the Text, if you haven&#039;t already. It disconcerts they way you imagine the world and fits quite well with the ideas you are challenging us to think about here.

&lt;i&gt;In fact, the alphabet is an elegant technology for the visualisation of sounds.  Its two dozen shapes trigger the memory of utterances that have been articulated by the mouth, the tongue, or the lips, and filter out what is said by gesture, mime or the guts. Unlike other writing systems, it records sounds not ideas. And in this it is foolproof: readers can be trained to voice things they have never heard of before.&lt;/i&gt;  p39</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When so much of the technology in schools is used simply to recreate what we do already, this is exciting and wondrously provocative thinking.  Thank you. </p>
<p>I think you might enjoy Illich writing on the beginning of the monopoly of reading and the book in the 12 Century &#8211; In the Vineyard of the Text, if you haven&#8217;t already. It disconcerts they way you imagine the world and fits quite well with the ideas you are challenging us to think about here.</p>
<p><i>In fact, the alphabet is an elegant technology for the visualisation of sounds.  Its two dozen shapes trigger the memory of utterances that have been articulated by the mouth, the tongue, or the lips, and filter out what is said by gesture, mime or the guts. Unlike other writing systems, it records sounds not ideas. And in this it is foolproof: readers can be trained to voice things they have never heard of before.</i>  p39</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sticks and Stones and Snap Judgements by Francine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeremy,
thoughtful response.

I&#039;m not so kind with &lt;a href=&quot;http://klever.edublogs.org/2006/01/03/assumption-around-jargon/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my take&lt;/a&gt; on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeremy,<br />
thoughtful response.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so kind with <a href="http://klever.edublogs.org/2006/01/03/assumption-around-jargon/" rel="nofollow">my take</a> on the subject.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Emergence of Meaning: Wikipedia As Object-Centered Sociality by Artichoke</title>
		<link>http://forestfortrees.edublogs.org/2005/12/26/the-emergence-of-meaning-wikipedia-as-object-centered-sociality/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Artichoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my most favourite quotes is Alfed North Whitehead&#039;s 

&lt;i&gt;“There are no whole truths: all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil.” &lt;/i&gt;

I loved the ideas you have collected in this post - I am captured by notions of &quot;object centered sociality&quot; and I rely upon Wikipedia - both what it does and what it can make happen. 

&quot;What does it do?&quot; takes precedence (as my fellow bogger Insouciant Femme would say over what it might mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my most favourite quotes is Alfed North Whitehead&#8217;s </p>
<p><i>“There are no whole truths: all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil.” </i></p>
<p>I loved the ideas you have collected in this post &#8211; I am captured by notions of &#8220;object centered sociality&#8221; and I rely upon Wikipedia &#8211; both what it does and what it can make happen. </p>
<p>&#8220;What does it do?&#8221; takes precedence (as my fellow bogger Insouciant Femme would say over what it might mean.</p>
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